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Colonel Tackard, do you believe really that flying saucers do exist or don't?

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Well, that's a matter of savannic. Dave, what do you mean by a flying saucer? Do you mean a spaceship?

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No. I mean, I mean, I don't know if I'd fly a helicopter.

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Exactly. I believe unidentified flying objects occur and that many solids there can see them.

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What do you think they are?

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Well, in most instances we've been able to explain all of them as either conventional objects under extenuating circumstances or some form of aerial phenomena.

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Well, phenomena isn't an object, is it?

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No, it's not.

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Objects, we said.

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All right.

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The bad rule of phenomena, what about that?

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Unidentified.

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However, it's originally reported as an object.

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Well, if it isn't, it's matter of savannic, as you said.

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That's right.

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What was the other classification now, or was it you just mentioned, either phenomena or...

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...unventional objects, in under extenuating circumstances, an aircraft, for instance.

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I see.

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An unusual light condition.

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Right.

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Or in a fog, or something like that.

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That opinion was given by Lieutenant Colonel Lawrence Tacker, U.S. Air Force, spokesman on the question of unidentified flying objects.

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An author that just published a book, Flying Saucers and the U.S. Air Force.

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The official Air Force story, it says it.

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Major Keyhoes, I guess, is one of them, too.

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Keyhoes, do you believe that flying saucers or UFOs, unidentified flying objects exist, Major?

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Yes, I do, particularly.

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And we've evaluated evidence in our National Committee in Washington.

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Excuse me, I'm sorry.

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I've confused the semantic issue here.

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I've said both at the same time.

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Do you believe that flying saucers exist?

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Well, I don't like that nickname anymore in the Air Force.

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I believe that flying objects under intelligent control exist.

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And that's the belief shared by the majority of our committee in Washington.

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Flying objects under intelligent control.

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That's right.

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Well, that's the belief of Major Donald Keyhoes, Marine Corps, retired,

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author of several books and head of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon.

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This book, Colonel Tacker, has occupied me over much of the weekend.

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It was a very exciting book to read.

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I've read some of Major Keyhoes' books, too.

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Air Force figures, I believe, show that they're been 6,523 reported fighting over the past 13 years.

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What percentage of these, according to Air Force standards, remain unexplained?

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Well, I'd have to go back to the early days and admit that in the very beginning,

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when this was a new subject in, say, 47 and 1950, that the unknowns or the unidentified cases ran as high as 20%.

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By 1953, they were down to 9%, and now they run somewhere between 2 and 3%.

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2 and 3%?

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Yes, sir.

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Major Keyhoes, do you agree with that?

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No, I don't.

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Because the Air Force has issued a statement, in fact, it's repeated in the Colonel's book here,

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without any qualifications, that the Air Force says,

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explain all but about 2% of the total.

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And you may have your letter signed by an official in the Air Force,

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which says that, up to the end of 1959, there were 565 cases unexplained,

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a total of 9 and 410%, and incidentally, the official was Colonel Lawrence Jay Tuckett.

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That's right.

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Well, I thought I said that.

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I know, but you keep putting out this statement that the Air Force has explained all but so-so of the total reported,

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and it doesn't qualify.

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It gives people the impression that you have only a triple left in those cases.

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What about that, Colonel?

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Well, I think I stated it correctly when you initially asked me, Dave.

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I said in the early days that they probably ran higher.

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The investigative techniques, one is good.

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We, with the new subject, this is where the science fiction type thing that Major Keyhoes writes got started.

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May I read a paragraph in the book here?

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Many sightings by qualified or reliable witnesses have been reported.

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However, each incident seems to have an unsatisfactory effect associated with it,

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such as shortness of time under observation.

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If you saw Marilyn Monroe walking by and you saw for one second,

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would that be adequate?

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Quite probably, recognizing.

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That's what I mean.

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In accurate estimates of distance from the observer,

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how does that know if they're right, Dave?

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Gently, just by a simple mathematical computation.

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That's the technical intelligence.

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How do they know?

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What's the distance?

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Well, it just states upon these sides the object given.

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Well, they can keep them.

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But the object given is given?

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It gently is, in the report.

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The object and the sign, the approximate sign.

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Or if we don't want the object used, we give it back.

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That's the period in the sightings.

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Oh, the angular.

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Yes, sir.

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Why don't you say anything about the distance, please?

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Oh, they can work out distance, I think.

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Well, is it one sighting of an angular object like a star or a planet or anything?

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Yes, sir.

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Well, the planet being a regular outside the doctor's side.

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It says, not the photographs.

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Is photographic taken or something?

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No, a photograph wants to be taken, but a photograph is good, evidently.

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There's the lack of a photograph.

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Or unsatisfied with that.

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That's right.

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Wouldn't it be much better to have one?

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And a serious lack of, yes, but not having one.

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Again, at Merrill and Norwell's bar, you might not get the picture, but you'd show us who's there.

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A serious lack of descriptive data that the photographer is trying to say something, yes.

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I think you might know what you're saying, please.

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A serious lack of descriptive data that the preventive evidence can cause him from being drawn.

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Again, at Merrill and Norwell's bar, would you have the serious lack of descriptive data that the preventive evidence can cause him from being drawn?

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Do you have to draw conclusions?

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You don't see the answer?

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No, no.

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When you see something and you despise it, you have to draw conclusions about it.

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Norwell, you're psyched to be the most pilot.

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I don't think so, but there we go.

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Major Kevo, let's take you on for a bit now.

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After we take a first look at the data for tonight.

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I've been working with the film, Tiger, and MGT, a lot of them.

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I've identified flying objects.

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Major, you've maintained for some years now, I believe, that the Air Force is supporting you.

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You've never been disinfoing the public on this subject, but how do you support such a serious charge?

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We stand very confidential at court.

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When I was doing confidential, I really was confidential to members of Congress, which were I and Timstead.

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And this states a digest of the evidence.

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Now, in this book, the director says that all the Congressmen who talked with the Air Force officers about this topic were completely satisfied with their percentage.

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I might just mention the letters.

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I have one letter here and about this one, Washington State.

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Representative John McClamick, House of North America, says the House of Electrity, which is a chairman, tried to gather information, but they were unable to do so.

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And a number of them were convinced that there were unexplained objects.

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Representative Joe Zellert said on executive stations that they tried to gather information.

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The Air Force, two representatives of security, and said this was involved in the nation's defense.

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So they were doing it on it.

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He's never taken a record of security.

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Representative Carl Belair, a new calling was coming along.

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General White, a liar?

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Did you read the phone?

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Carl, if I were in your, I'd use a phone with Mr. Warner, a liar.

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I'd use the word liar if I can.

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Who read it?

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You and I brought it up.

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I know what he meant.

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You're trying to keep me from reading the list these days.

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I'm not trying to.

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I know what I'm doing.

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We have letters here from a number of private secretaries that are completely and seriously concerned over the secrecy.

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Mr. Forte accepted as proof that these objects were real and should be driven out of the rat.

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What did you say about the following, Colonel?

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The fools, what?

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I asked, uh, what he thought about the statement.

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What?

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What?

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What I recall, if you said, uh, you said in reference to one of those, have you read the Alex Spade?

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Yes, and I asked if you would say that General White's Spade was an audience.

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In regard to what?

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In regard to what?

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In regard to the fact that no spaceships had ever been found.

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Oh.

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That they don't exist.

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That wasn't what we were talking about.

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No, it was not.

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And I was, if I can, I'd like to finish this.

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This was driven by a drugabond.

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It was approved by the Fulminant Central Intelligence Agency by General William Carter,

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by General Holmes, Colonel Anderson, and by the Reserve.

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Right before May, from the Munder Room Project, and about 200 scientists, engineers, and others,

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uh, and everyone could be called crackpot sites.

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Well, in the earth, please speak of things that they are concerned with,

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and for two reasons.

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There's a danger in the bottom, and it's what it's supposed to be.

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There's an opportunity to get my answer again.

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It's like there is no such power.

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The policy is to explain what you need.

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Air Force Regulation 200-2, what's B9?

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Uh, no, it's B9.

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It says all air force extradition is to be reported to the minimum.

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Like, if 18 states have all the information,

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what is they doing, what is they passing by?

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There's certainly not that much information in the matter.

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That report has been reduced to a minimum, but it's fine.

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I'd like to have your answer on this specific case.

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This is the key case in Washington, Washington, and Saudi Arabia.

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I know that you disagree with the interpretation of this on the last night.

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Colonel, if you're going to talk to me now and not allow me to present a final statement in here by you,

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in which you rush off to Washington, Saudi Arabia, the temperature-

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The temperature and the temperature.

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Exactly.

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You stated in there that these things were not picked up by radar at Andrews Air Force Station.

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I did not state that.

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Well, you're the one picked up by radar.

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I beg your pardon, and to an end with that post-paste.

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That's correct.

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That's correct.

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You're on radar at the National Institute.

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I am here, signed, reported by an Air Force meeting service,

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raise our expertise in the tower.

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Scrabs picking up these clips, and now this little display stick.

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I have four thousand.

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That's alright.

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Our experts are experts on radar because they're alive because the Gad-Ero-Inners are the best experts.

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And for no good, if you're a very defense people,

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our experts on radar only kind of don't split Soviet bombers.

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This person says that they were picked up on the clips on the radar.

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They had a group of them, they came in, in formation, they split up,

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they operated at speeds over 900 miles an hour.

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Now you're doing it apparently, right?

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At Washington Air Force, the experts on radar track these things at speeds up to 70,000.

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The operation is not in express, basically.

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It's a really good job.

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The operation is in progress.

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Two things.

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Is that the problem with that?

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Any second.

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We'll find out in time.

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I think we'll find out for yourself what you think of it.

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What's the exciting facts in here?

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Some might believe to be exactly right, some might believe to be exactly wrong,

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because they're self-pensed, victim-summoned.

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But I'd like to know more about it.

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We'll talk to you about it first.

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We'll find out more about the...

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What you think of it.

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Colonel Packard, you're officially Air Force Star.

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The person's like what now?

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We're still sitting here talking to Lieutenant Colonel Packard and Major Kehoe about unidentified flying objects.

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The Air Force Star, there's so many things to say here that we've got Colonel Packard in the middle here.

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We didn't need to do that.

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Colonel, you've told a general wife forward to the book.

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And the book is described as the official Air Force story.

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Nowhere in the book is it saying it's the official Air Force story.

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Exactly.

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I'm an official Air Force physician.

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But I'm going to say it that way by the Department of Defense.

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I see.

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Lieutenant Swipe, who of course is Chief of Staff,

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the US Air Force has a forward,

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but what he says essentially is that unidentified flying objects are investigated,

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both are not a single, but the clear evidence of existence of the system found.

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What you have to...

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The funny ties in there, Dave, is the fact that by an active Congress,

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the United States Air Force is charging the air defense to the United States.

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And you can't separate US police from our air defense mission.

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No.

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We can possibly do it.

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And we'll charge with it, therefore we go up.

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We expand one at a time, based on the...

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But must the clear evidence of the existence of something be found before it's real?

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Certainly. I believe so.

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I don't think you have any.

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Do you have a piece of wood in your hand?

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No.

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Did it really?

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Oh, I think it was.

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Yeah, but then you have spectrum analysis and light,

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to say, taken, you've got...

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I'm not a scientist, I'm an information officer.

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I'm a computer.

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But there are such things as photographs and spectrum analysis and mathematical

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that they can build up to a basis and collect.

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Who is a pure scientist against that?

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A very statement by somebody that's a pure spaceship.

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I believe it is an active space.

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And if I'm not too alright if I believe it is an active space like that,

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what I object to and is a countless harangue,

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a handful of simple information, this is ridiculous.

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Well, this thing is ridiculous.

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One way or the other, I'd say no.

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Oh, you mean, light thing is ridiculous.

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No, but I still prove it.

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And we have to tell the information.

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You can't prove it because we have cases you never tell.

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And if you have...

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probably you have a take on it.

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I'm talking about light things.

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What is light things?

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Are you saying the human car here in town,

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that we've got high air force officers trying to do the bright air forces

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or a chrome magazine air forces?

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We're not leaving the air menacing me.

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I'm not trying to pressure you.

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Keep your temper. We might get it out of sight.

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I have no temper here.

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I will make you a lawyer.

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I will agree to appear with you in public

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and suppose that we don't have time to put on here.

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If you can prove what you say is true,

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I will resign as Dr. Nakeb.

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I will recommend to everyone who has known God as the way to span.

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I will tell them.

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I will tell them.

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I'm going to do this.

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We've just taken out ten minutes of the show.

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Later on, we can come back for ten more minutes.

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Right now, we're going to take the news.

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I think if we can fuel parts for those in the 15 minutes, it might be wise.

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No problem, Dave.

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I'm enjoying it.

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I hope Major Keohok is.

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I hope you are too.

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Here's the news right now. Frank, are you in the fire?

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The search bar just loaded us with calls about our discussion

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with flying forces in the Air Force Air Force.

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The news worked out that the pilot had been turned off

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for a few seconds.

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We've been discussing it.

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Major Keohok, who's had one of the trouble-beach on

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the believe that the flying, the optically flying forces,

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are facing it.

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Let's continue.

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Let's talk about time.

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We can finalize the news.

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We've just got that.

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We've used astronomy information to give it in here.

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That's straight astronomy information.

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And the chapter it's used to do tools for you to say many things

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are really astronomical objects.

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There's just been music that's been pulled around with it for several years.

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Like 20,000.

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So you might be fairly familiar with that.

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I'm not a mechanic, keep in mind I was reporting.

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I got this from the scientist in Puka.

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But it's in the book and I mean it should be taken, therefore it's...

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Right.

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But in aircraft, you're thinking about the planet Venus now.

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And the aircraft moves to the atmosphere in an advanced state.

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It's positioned relative to the object naturally changing.

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Does the object work for a change of position?

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Right.

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The aircraft changes its position.

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Oh, 10 miles out of 80 minutes.

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Oh, right. You mean with the intertest?

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Well, no matter where you fly in the air, Venus should be almost exactly the same place.

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You're right, you're correct.

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There are about a dozen of those that I would be able to pick up,

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but I want to introduce Major Keohok.

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Well, you know, the answer to the answer to the answer to the answer is the body doesn't change.

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Not to the third answer, but the planet.

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That remains the same.

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If the answer to the body based on its position in the aircraft keeps it changed,

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please, that's what they do.

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Not measured, please.

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Oh, measured, please.

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In terms of all the time in the international time,

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when I see the stars on a...

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Oh, you mean the location of the air.

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Well, not in any period, but when the aircraft moves to the atmosphere,

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if it's basically moving, it doesn't try to be moving,

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but it's not, it doesn't try to move it in the sky.

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No, it's the heading of the aircraft.

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That's what they mean.

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To see the actual, uh, as the body...

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Oh, if you turn the aircraft around.

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Right, right. That's what I believe it is.

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I think, uh, Major, you have to...

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Well, I wanted to say that the whole thing waits, uh,

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the rest of the way to Venus.

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We have gone into all the resources there,

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but it has released.

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In just two to fifty-three, they were released by a lot of cases to make.

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This board of advisors we have

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includes some of the top scientists in the country.

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If you're done with, uh, Colonel, you mentioned Dr. Olivier,

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the American Leader Society.

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My dealers, you know, the American Leader Society

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is a member of ICAP, and so is Dr. Olivier.

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Uh, he does not agree with the Air Force stand,

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and it's safe to say, you also mentioned Dr. Carl G. G. Gryllman,

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the famous analyst.

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He's the fly there that he thinks everybody's correct about.

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Dr. Gryllman is also a member of ICAP.

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I had two letters here from him, in which he said,

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I have no doubt that these things may be real.

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It seems this last book, just trying to buy a last book,

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seems to prove that they are real,

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and he says the Air Force policy is stupid, stupidly outside,

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so logical because it will create, right, more than it will help.

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Yes, they are with all the information.

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They are with all the information.

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Well, according to all the congressmen that I have talked with recently about this,

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they say the Air Force is.

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Now, in 1957 we asked for a number of cases.

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We didn't even have the courage to reply to those cases.

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The three of them are very hot.

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But, since for a short time, I'd like to add anything to that book.

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I wonder if you have any.

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I asked you for the inside of the Captain Ryan case,

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where you people sent an airliner to chase one of these objects.

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And the case is that everybody...

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We never sent an airliner to chase one of these objects.

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I have the case, the transcript, it's in Senator Monroe,

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you called me.

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I've never seen it, I never heard it.

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I had the time you were here to hear it.

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I have the transcript here, I'll give you a copy of it.

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All right.

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He stated they were ordered to chase the electric force from Passing

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to chase this thing for 100 miles.

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All of this evidence.

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He says it impressed enough people.

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Now, I would say you might question Senator Perry Goldwater,

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who is a regular general in your Air Force reserve.

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Right.

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He said I had lunch with him about two, three years ago.

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He said he was the best at this thing, much real.

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He stated so later in the newspaper, he didn't say what they were,

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but they were real, and he says the Air Force plans up.

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You can't disagree with the man.

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He's both a senator and a regular general.

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I checked that page and you made that on the last...

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You made that very point on the last program you were on with this guy.

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I checked that out in his office, they have no record.

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Oh, yes, they do.

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No, they don't.

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Well, I'll show you the record.

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Any time you care to switch to our office...

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That's what I mean, you keep blocking about the record,

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you keep blocking about the evidence.

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We're also talking about the preliminary.

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Project evidence.

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The machine.

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No, that's a divisible object, but there ain't no...

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No.

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And that's a lot of...

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There's one more person I'd like to mention, and that's presidential...

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President-elect Kennedy.

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A body year ago, he wrote to one of our members and called it an important topic.

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Now, would you say that he was deluded...

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I think it's a really important topic, and I want to stress right now that the Air Force

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doesn't deny the possibility of these things, it simply states that to date, there is no evidence

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to come up with a sensational claim that there are extraterrestrial vehicles.

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In 1948, the new of Denier, that document existed.

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In 1948, there was a top secret estimate that these things were inter-political.

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Now, that was stated first by Captain Rupelhead of the project, stated that he said it was

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a black document stamped top secret on the cover, and it said that it wasn't any just

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a signet.

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Later, we checked with Major Dui Borne, who was the monitor of the project at that time,

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and is now on our board.

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I have a letter, which I'll show you later, where he said,

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I'm hereby confirming the existence of two documents.

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The Air Force has denied one of them as a 1948 estimate, and the other is his own 1952

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conclusion, which you also have kept under arrest.

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It's his conclusion.

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It's not ACIC, it's on the airport.

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And I can say right now there's no such...

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Yeah, I have a question here.

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Sir, could you afford to say in your official position that there would be such a document

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if it were secret?

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Could I say?

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If there's such a document that existed and it were, it's not top secret.

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Or secret.

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Could you admit these things, rather?

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As a two-ton external of the Air Force?

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I doubt it.

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But, many of the top secrets there have been once through all the documents.

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There is no such document.

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I can say there is one.

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Burned, because it's by the burn, according to the roof line.

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Well, I can say this generally.

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Can an officer admit existence of any top secret document?

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Yes, he can, and you can say you're in a classified area.

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And then, of course, it's four.

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Well, the situation doesn't exist in the UFO.

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Well, then we have to take the last statement if you were to say that you just made it.

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I think.

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There is no such document.

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And an officer can say such a fact if it exists.

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That's right.

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That's the question I wanted to ask, Major.

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Wait a minute. I'm sorry.

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I don't want to box you in here.

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What's the matter?

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Would you defend this book, Major?

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Because we're attacking it, apparently.

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Why is the Air Force so...

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Why did you write in the first place?

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I felt the book had to be written because I felt the Air Force was being set upon

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by Major Kehoe, by the other UFO hobby group who believe in spaceships,

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as a matter of pure faith.

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I felt that I had to do it because of these sent withactive actions.

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Because of these sent withactive actions against the Air Force.

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In line with that, let me for a minute show you that when the Air Force does investigate a flying saucer,

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it has at its disposal.

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At least once in the air-based and about-based command, at least once in the air-based air-based command,

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at least once in the air-based air-based command, a national space-to-air-based stuff

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can't be filled and that's about being which can tell you now.

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On the first order, does Russia... anybody want to come?

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We have four universities at the time on our disposal.

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We have four on the west station.

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We have countless radio stations.

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We have 50 previous communications with Air Bank's Alaska, Wastebots, and Germany to expand any place we want.

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And when I compare this to what you're talking about, it's probably the flight ladder at the stationery.

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That's like an ad up there.

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I think I'll take a manhands to that, Mr. Garroway.

493
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000
Yes, sir.

494
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:38,000
Our equipment includes about 200 men, including office connoisseurs, missile trackers,

495
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000
versus Captain McLaughlin, yes, this maybe.

496
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,000
Professor Ruhlin Ulbeth, one of the great rocket experts.

497
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,000
I could name as many as you wish and we could cover every field involved, face several planes.

498
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:57,000
Our equipment is material, sweet agonist, and hand over to these experts and sometimes outside.

499
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,000
Can you evaluate it, sir?

500
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,000
We get it from confidential reports given to us by similar-year-old Air Force people.

501
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000
I think yes, that's a fact.

502
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,000
These things will be certified when we add one on Austrian Air Force Base in 1957.

503
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,000
The Air Force denies that it happened to CAA radar operators that they tracked this object

504
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,000
at 3,600 miles an hour over Austrian Air Force Base.

505
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000
What it boils down to is you have to. You're under orders to deny that.

506
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
That is not so.

507
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Your job is not so.

508
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
If I were in your shoes, I would have to do exactly what you're doing.

509
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000
No, no, no, say anything about my job.

510
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Colonel, I'm going to ask you to explain one case here.

511
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000
I am not going to do that.

512
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:42,000
Last August at Red Wolf, California, two state poopers reported that they were sighting an object

513
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,000
which one time hovered 500 feet above their patrol car, it cut off their radio,

514
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000
and swept the ground with the red light.

515
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000
They pointed drone red light across the country's community client at high speeds.

516
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Air Force radar Red Wolf said they were tracking them.

517
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,000
It told the San Francisco Chronicle and other people.

518
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Air Force radar at Red Wolf, they tracked it and they mentioned that they had something on it.

519
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
They told the news people.

520
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
Colonel, I'm not finished.

521
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
We asked you about this.

522
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
Well, I remember this, and then we asked.

523
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
Usually this is the secret weapon.

524
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:19,000
This led by seeing the planet Mars, the star of Aldebaran, and the star of the field.

525
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Now, wait a minute.

526
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,000
We checked with the Hayden Planetarium in Boston and others from it.

527
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,000
They checked this on the evidence.

528
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,000
Mars did not rise for an hour and a half.

529
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,000
Aldebaran did not rise for two hours.

530
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,000
Then he could three hours go.

531
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
Do you understand what happened?

532
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000
I understand.

533
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000
You had to come to the radio for six days.

534
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
Do you know the temperature and the version of that?

535
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
It was a big fraction.

536
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
And it was above the horizon.

537
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
It was not for three hours.

538
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000
It was just below the horizon.

539
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,000
I'm not giving you what our scientific community told me.

540
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,000
You're putting your worry against the astronomers who are every day working out problems like that.

541
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
You're worrying about the astronomers.

542
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000
What's the United States Air Force there?

543
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Under contract and under orders to try to explain these away until you're ready to answer.

544
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,000
That's ridiculous.

545
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,000
Why don't you get off that kick?

546
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
You don't believe in yourself.

547
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000
I must go to personality.

548
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
But I will repeat my offer.

549
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
We have to stay here.

550
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
No, we have to leave you.

551
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
I don't know where we are.

552
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000
I wasn't very much interested in flying.

553
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,000
So I read your book.

554
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Now I'm fascinated.

555
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000
Good stuff.

556
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Here's such an area of competition here.

557
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Will I say peace?